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Your TSA at work
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There are so many problems with this its hard to know where to start.

First the backskatter machines dont penetrate skin, whats to stop the bomber from shoving the explosives up their butt?

Second, we were promised underoath by the head of the TSA that the machines were not capable of storing images. Guess what popped up this week online.. 100+ images from the machines that were not suppose to save them. Granted they came from a courthouse, but they are still the same machines that they swore were incapable of storing images
http://gizmodo.com/5690749/these-are-the-first-100-leaked-body-scans

Third, former TSA directory admits in interview that the searches violate our 4th amendment rights
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/16/former-tsa-security-director-no-one-likes-fourth-amendment-violations-but-were-going-to-have-to-do-it/


Fourth, how exactly does the groping stop a terrorist? Scissors are allowed on planes. Why not just sharpen them and stab a passenger and hijack the plane like the 9-11 attackers?

Fifth, a woman is suing the feds after a TSA screen exposed her breasts to the entire airport then joked they had to save the video.
http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2010-10-11/lawsuit-airport-search-indecent

Sixth, the TSA frisked a little 3 year old kid, including the groin touching.
http://consumerist.com/2010/11/man-holds-bikini-bacon-contest-for-charity-except-charity-doesnt-exist.html


My favorite congressman and former presidential candidate Ron Paul recently introduced H.R. 6416 - The American Traveler Dignity Act.. Here is his speech in congress

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Mr. Speaker, today I introduce legislation to protect Americans from physical and emotional abuse by federal Transportation Security Administration employees conducting screenings at the nation's airports. We have seen the videos of terrified children being grabbed and probed by airport screeners. We have read the stories of Americans being subjected to humiliating body imaging machines and/or forced to have the most intimate parts of their bodies poked and fondled. We do not know the potentially harmful effects of the radiation emitted by the new millimeter wave machines.

In one recent well-publicized case, a TSA official is recorded during an attempted body search saying, "By buying your ticket you gave up a lot of rights." I strongly disagree and am sure I am not alone in believing that we Americans should never give up our rights in order to travel. As our Declaration of Independence states, our rights are inalienable. This TSA version of our rights looks more like the "rights" granted in the old Soviet Constitutions, where freedoms were granted to Soviet citizens -- right up to the moment the state decided to remove those freedoms.

The incident of the so-called "underwear bomber" last Christmas is given as justification for the billions of dollars the federal government is spending on the new full-body imaging machines, but a Government Accountability Office study earlier this year concluded that had these scanners been in use they may not have detected the explosive material that was allegedly brought onto the airplane. Additionally, there have been recent press reports calling into question the accuracy and adequacy of these potentially dangerous machines.

My legislation is simple. It establishes that airport security screeners are not immune from any US law regarding physical contact with another person, making images of another person, or causing physical harm through the use of radiation-emitting machinery on another person. It means they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us.

Imagine if the political elites in our country were forced to endure the same conditions at the airport as business travelers, families, senior citizens, and the rest of us. Perhaps this problem could be quickly resolved if every cabinet secretary, every member of Congress, and every department head in the Obama administration were forced to submit to the same degrading screening process as the people who pay their salaries.

I warned at the time of the creation of the TSA that an unaccountable government entity in control of airport security would provide neither security nor defend our basic freedom to travel. Yet the vast majority of both Republicans and Democrats then in Congress willingly voted to create another unaccountable, bullying agency-- in a simple-minded and unprincipled attempt to appease public passion in the wake of 9-11. Sadly, as we see with the steady TSA encroachment on our freedom and dignity, my fears in 2001 were justified.

The solution to the need for security at US airports is not a government bureaucracy. The solution is to allow the private sector, preferably the airlines themselves, to provide for the security of their property. As a recent article in Forbes magazine eloquently stated, "The airlines have enormous sums of money riding on passenger safety, and the notion that a government bureaucracy has better incentives to provide safe travels than airlines with billions of dollars worth of capital and goodwill on the line strains credibility." In the meantime, I hope we can pass this legislation and protect Americans from harm and humiliation when they choose to travel.


What do you think? Are you comfortable with the new security or do you think its a waste of time
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Its a waste of time and just wrong on so many levels. People clamer behind the shield of "I feel safer"... but at what cost? At the rate we are going to "protect" the public it will not belong before we will all be standing in our birthday suits waiting for " please bend over and relax"
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New TSA motto: Turn your head and cough. All your junk are belong to us...
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and to think I spend my hard earned money in clubs for a dirty old man to grope me... I'm going to have to travel more or become a TSA tester!
#5
I think it's absurd.
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Second and one-half: Naked Body Scanner Images Of Film Star Printed, Circulated By Airport Staff
http://info-wars.org/2010/02/09/exposed-naked-body-scanner-images-of-film-star-printed-circulated-by-airport-staff/

Seventh: They don't even work
BBC: Ben Wallace, an ex Army officer & former overseas director in the security & intelligence division at UK defense firm QinetiQ - one of the companies making the full body scanner technology - said, the "passive millimetre wave scanners", which QinetiQ helped develop, probably would not have detected key plots affecting passengers in the UK in recent years. Mr. Wallace said the scanners would probably not have detected the failed Detroit plane plot of Christmas Day. He said the same of the 2006 airliner liquid bomb plot and of explosives used in the 2005 bombings of 3 Tube trains and a bus in London.

http://www.worldculturepictorial.com/blog/content/x-ray-body-scanner-ineffective-cancer-radiation
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Everyone should be required to fly naked with no carry-on. All personal items and clothing must be in checked luggage. Problem solved.
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So you have a choise of:
1. Being scanned and having virtual naked pictures taken.
2. Being sexually molested with your clothes on.

There have to be other options like:

3. Flying naked as mentioned above.
4. Forcing them to sexually molest me while I'm actually naked.
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Im wondering, what would happen if I wore a cup and opted for the patdown?

Would they make me strip to remove it? Would the TSA demand to stick their hands in my pants to see it? Would they demand they had to touch my junk as a pre-requisite to fly? That would be an interesting lawsuit
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offroadaz wrote:Im wondering, what would happen if I wore a cup and opted for the patdown?

Would they make me strip to remove it? Would the TSA demand to stick their hands in my pants to see it? Would they demand they had to touch my junk as a pre-requisite to fly? That would be an interesting lawsuit


I've thought about the cup thing, it'd be interesting to see what they would do.
I've also though it would be fun to wear the biggest strap-on I could find to go through the dick measuring device.
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Quadfire wrote:I've also though it would be fun to wear the biggest strap-on I could find to go through the dick measuring device.


I think your question has been answered Randy :)

Cancer Survivor Flight Attendant Forced To Show Prosthetic Breast During TSA Pat-Down

She put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?'. And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that'.
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Skatchkins wrote:I think your question has been answered Randy :)

Cancer Survivor Flight Attendant Forced To Show Prosthetic Breast During TSA Pat-Down


Wow
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K7VZ wrote:
4. Forcing them to sexually molest me while I'm actually naked.


Ok, this is kind of what I was thinking. If they want to see me naked, make them SEE me naked. http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local-beat/Passenger-Chooses-Strip-Down-Over-Pat-Down-109872589.html?dr

When a San Diego man opted out of security screening using the Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) at Lindbergh Field Friday, he stripped down to his underwear in an attempt to avoid the pat-down procedures.

Through a statement released by his attorney Sunday night, Wolanyk said "TSA needs to see that I'm not carrying any weapons, explosives, or other prohibited substances, I refuse to have images of my naked body viewed by perfect strangers, and having been felt up for the first time by TSA the week prior (I travel frequently) I was not willing to be molested again."
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TSA "freedom pat" leaves man covered in urine

A retired special education teacher on his way to a wedding in Orlando, Fla., said he was left humiliated, crying and covered with his own urine after an enhanced pat-down by TSA officers recently at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.

“I was absolutely humiliated, I couldn’t even speak,” said Thomas D. “Tom” Sawyer, 61, of Lansing, Mich.

Sawyer is a bladder cancer survivor who now wears a urostomy bag, which collects his urine from a stoma, or opening in his abdomen. “I have to wear special clothes and in order to mount the bag I have to seal a wafer to my stomach and then attach the bag. If the seal is broken, urine can leak all over my body and clothes.”

On Nov. 7, Sawyer said he went through the security scanner at Detroit Metropolitan Airport. “Evidently the scanner picked up on my urostomy bag, because I was chosen for a pat-down procedure.”

Due to his medical condition, Sawyer asked to be screened in private. “One officer looked at another, rolled his eyes and said that they really didn’t have any place to take me,” said Sawyer. “After I said again that I’d like privacy, they took me to an office.”

Sawyer wears pants two sizes too large in order to accommodate the medical equipment he wears. He’d taken off his belt to go through the scanner and once in the office with security personnel, his pants fell down around his ankles. “I had to ask twice if it was OK to pull up my shorts,” said Sawyer, “And every time I tried to tell them about my medical condition, they said they didn’t need to know about that.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news/#



3 year old molested by TSA


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ABC producer says TSA agent felt inside her underwear

As the busiest travel days of the year approach, more and more passengers are accusing the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) of going too far with their screenings.

Earlier this month, the TSA began new security procedures in many airports including scans that produce images of the naked body and pat-downs.

One employee of ABC News who opted for the pat-down instead of the full body scan claimed that a TSA agent actually felt inside of her underwear.

"The woman who checked me reached her hands inside my underwear and felt her way around," said ABC News producer Carolyn Durand. "It was basically worse than going to the gynecologist."

"It was embarassing. It was demeaning. It was inappropriate," she said.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/abc-producer-tsa-patdown-worse-gynecologist/
#18
http://gawker.com/5695677/
Special Underwear Makes Your Privates Invisible to TSA Scanners

Special Underwear Makes Your Privates Invisible to TSA ScannersCitizens, take heart: Even as our country falls under the total domination of our new TSA overlords, capitalism continues unabated. A Colorado man has developed undergarments with special body scanner-blocking fig leaves to hide your privates.


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GLORIA ALLRED: "Yeah, they did and it was a first time anybody touched them in a long time and frankly, I liked it."

Video at link (Not sure how to embed this type of video.):
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/11/19/gloria_allred_on_tsa_pat-down_i_liked_it.html